Sure, I Might Use Nuclear Weapons In Europe. Hell, I Might Use Them in Chicago

Source: MSNBC | March 30, 2016 | MSNBC

Donald Trump: Sure, I Might Use Nuclear Weapons In Europe. Hell, I Might Use Them In Chicago, Too.

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MATTHEWS:  OK.

 

Your most controversial suggestion was don’t take nuclear weapons — I mean, you may have been hooked into this by (inaudible).

 

TRUMP:  Don’t take what?

 

MATTHEWS:  Nuclear weapons off the table.

 

I have been trying to think of how we could conceivably use a nuclear weapon in the Middle East or in Europe in fighting ISIS.  Where can you — and why put it on the table or leave it on the table if you can’t imagine where to use it?

 

TRUMP:  Well, I didn’t say, “Don’t take it.”  I said I would be very, very slow and hesitant to pull that trigger.

 

MATTHEWS:  Well, why would you — why wouldn’t you just say, “I don’t want to talk about it.  I don’t want to talk about nuclear weapons.  Presidents don’t talk about use of nuclear weapons”?

 

TRUMP:  The question was asked — we were talking about NATO — which, by the way, I say is obsolete and we pay a dispropor…

 

MATTHEWS:  But you got hooked into something you shouldn’t’ve talked about.

 

TRUMP:  I don’t think I — well, someday, maybe.

 

MATTHEWS:  When?  Maybe?

 

TRUMP:  Of course.  If somebody…

 

MATTHEWS:  Where would we drop — where would we drop a nuclear weapon in the Middle East?

 

TRUMP:  Let me explain.  Let me explain.

 

Somebody hits us within ISIS, you wouldn’t fight back with a nuke?

 

MATTHEWS:  No.  To drop a nuclear weapon on a community of people that are…

 

TRUMP:  No, no, but you can’t say — first of all, you don’t want to say, “Take everything off the table…”

 

MATTHEWS:  No, just nuclear.

 

TRUMP:  … because you’d be a bad negotiator if you do that.

 

MATTHEWS:  Just nuclear.

 

TRUMP:  Look, nuclear should be off the table.  But would there be a time when it could be used, possibly, possibly?

 

MATTHEWS:  OK.  The trouble is, when you said that, the whole world heard it.  David Cameron in Britain heard it.  The Japanese, where we bombed them in ’45, heard it.  They’re hearing a guy running for president of the United States talking of maybe using nuclear weapons.  Nobody wants to hear that about an American president.

 

TRUMP:  Then why are we making them?  Why do we make them?  We had (inaudible).

 

MATTHEWS:  Because of the old mutual assured destruction, which Reagan hated and tried to get rid of.

 

TRUMP:  (inaudible) I was against Iraq.  I’d be the last one to use the nuclear weapon.

 

MATTHEWS:  So can you take it off the table now?

 

TRUMP:  Because that’s sort of like the end of the ball game.

 

MATTHEWS:  Can you tell the Middle East we’re not using a nuclear weapon on anybody?

 

TRUMP:  I would never say that.  I would never take any of my cards off the table.

 

MATTHEWS:  How about Europe?  We won’t use it in Europe?

 

TRUMP:  I — I’m not going to take it off the table.

 

MATTHEWS:  You might use it in Europe?

 

(LAUGHTER)

 

TRUMP:  No, I don’t think so.  But I’m not taking…

 

MATTHEWS:  Well, just say it.  “I will never use a nuclear weapon in Europe.”

 

TRUMP:  I am not — I am not taking cards off the table.

 

MATTHEWS:  OK.

 

TRUMP:  I’m not going to use nuclear, but I’m not taking any cards off the table.

 

MATTHEWS:  OK.

 

The trouble is, the sane people hear you and the insane people are not affected by your threats.  That’s the trouble.  The real fanatics say, “Good.  Keep it up.

 

TRUMP:  I think — I think they’re more affected than you might think.

 

MATTHEWS:  OK.  Your call.

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